Usually they are keeping the peace at someone else's protest.
But this Saturday, the cops are protesting:
"On Saturday March 9th we are organizing an “informational protest” in the City of Rye. We are inviting you, your family and friends to please come support us. Our message that day is to communicate to the Rye public of our difficulties in reaching an amicable contract resolution for over 4 years. We will be meeting at 17 Elm place in the center of Rye’s business district at 10am, the event is scheduled to run until 2pm. With your help and support we can successfully deliver our message to the Rye taxpayers and ultimately to city hall, the mayor and the city council. For more information please go to our website RYEPBA.ORG or call the number below.
Thank you,
Franco Compagnone
President: Rye PBA
914-557-2922"
Avg,
LOL, You would be correct but it is not referring to "crossing detail", even tho it does not stipulate which subject it does pertain to "patrol car presence".
Sorry, didn't notice the communication gap.
Posted by: Jim Amico | March 18, 2013 at 02:10 PM
Jim, you posted this:
"This was sent to me from a Rye resident: Couldn't three cops do it as an hour OT at the end of their 12-8 tour? That way there would be no need to answer a call. the 8-4 tour would respond. The schools could be a steady OT detail. Like Parade duty in NY - you're not otherwise "on the clock" - you don't get called away to catch cases.
Where does he get the thousands of dollars a day in OT? Wouldn't it be like 100-120 per cop?"
I was just answering your post, right?
Posted by: Average Citizen | March 18, 2013 at 01:21 PM
Avg,
"If you look at the RPD contract, if an officer is required to work OT, they get a MINIMUM four hours -- regardless of how many hours they work. The actual time working is at "time and a half" and the time not working is 'straight time." So assuming $50/hour, the first hour is $75 and the other three are $150, so each officer will cost Rye $225 to do crossing guard duty for one hour."
Can we PLEASE PLEASE get off the whole "cops as crossing guards" thing!!! I have repeated several times that this is not what is being suggested or requested and to my knowledge it is not a dialog amongst City Officials, so can we please put this to rest?
Posted by: Jim Amico | March 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM
Need Change,
"You're seeing the light lol."
FUNNY!!!
The light would be much brighter and easier to follow if the City held the Police Workshop they spoke of. I am being educated on many facts here that most residents are clueless too, including me!
"But as for contract they have been working without one for 5 years but still go off the guidelines of the last one."
Is this mandatory? Would there be an issue if they swayed on some items according to the old contract? If so, please explain if you can!
Posted by: Jim Amico | March 18, 2013 at 08:44 AM
Avg,
I know the 4 hours is mandatory not just with PD with DPW as well and I am not sure on FD. Many places have that. Is that a NYS agreement with union labor laws or individual towns set that in place. Happy this has been a constructive conversation with you guys and not out of hand like some of the others I read on here. Jim and anyone else good luck with your fight with the city.
Posted by: Need Change | March 16, 2013 at 08:27 PM
Jim & Need Change,
If you look at the RPD contract, if an officer is required to work OT, they get a MINIMUM four hours -- regardless of how many hours they work. The actual time working is at "time and a half" and the time not working is 'straight time." So assuming $50/hour, the first hour is $75 and the other three are $150, so each officer will cost Rye $225 to do crossing guard duty for one hour. Three officers in the AM and three in the afternoon and you are looking at $1,350 per day BEFORE benefits, payroll tax, etc. [My original estimate called for four officers, so that is where I got $1,000 for the AM.] So you are looking at a quarter million dollars in OT. Again, this doesn’t include benefits, payroll taxes, etc.
As I stated in my first post, I believe that you cannot put a price tag on the safety of our children, but this is a big nut. Crossing guards would be a more cost-efficient solution. But again – there is a lot of money in Rye, maybe the residents wouldn’t mind paying for this to not only have the traffic-safety component, but also a police presence at each elementary school.
Posted by: Average Citizen | March 16, 2013 at 03:23 PM
Jim,
I agree with some of your last post. You're seeing the light lol. I can't answer questions like why they are in Greenwood or other places and I am not getting into that here. I am not a Rye cop and not their boss. But as for contract they have been working without one for 5 years but still go off the guidelines of the last one. For the hours of their tour to change it would have to be in the contract. Every department has different tours. some 8 hours NYC is 8.5 and I think NYSP is 12 hours. White Plains for a short time did 12 hours. 12 hour tours eliminates 1 tour and you have 2 tours instead of 3. Sometimes it can add manpower but that all depends. And the start times of those tours again is dependent on the department and said agred contract. Now as for that additional OT on the midnight tour well usually cops are up for OT. Is the city going to force that or is voluntary? Depends i guess on some technical things I don't know about. Will the city want to spend that additional OT when they are always looking to cut cost?
Another reason why you couldn't have regular patrols cover, even in the afternoon is because the call volume in the afternoon goes up. Majority of calls are from afternoon into evening. In addition if you have 2 or 3 cars out when a call comes 2 cars have to go. You can't send 1 car with 1 cop. This isn't NYC. I am being realistic as to what you are going to hear from a council or Commissioner and even the union. I am not a Connors fan, barely know anything about him but it sounds like he is all wrong for Rye based on what i read and follow. But it would he hard to disagree with what I am saying if he brought it up.
Posted by: Need Change | March 16, 2013 at 09:39 AM
Avg & Need Change,
This was sent to me from a Rye resident:
"Couldn't three cops do it as an hour OT at the end of their 12-8 tour? That way there would be no need to answer a call. the 8-4 tour would respond. The schools could be a steady OT detail. Like Parade duty in NY - you're not otherwise "on the clock" - you don't get called away to catch cases.
Where does he get the thousands of dollars a day in OT? Wouldn't it be like 100-120 per cop?
As for a contract issue - that's a red herring. We don't have a contract right now. Nows the time to negotiate the tours to better meet our needs as a community."
Posted by: Jim Amico | March 16, 2013 at 08:04 AM
Need Change,
No arguing on this end either, no worries. I am happy to have this open dialog.
Okay, the morning might be difficult to get around, but if there was a "real" will I'm sure it can be worked out. As for the afternoon, what's the problem, there is no schedule conflict to speak of?
Oh, and as for the "contract" being an issue, what contract would that be, isn't that what the article we are posting under is all about?
Ok, humor me here, the contract is an issue, the last 5 years there is NO CONTRACT, can you speak on why absolutely nothing on this subject has been remotely addressed in those past "contract less" 5 years?
@ Divman,
Chief? God help us if that were the case! As for his knowledge of knowing that they sit in Greenwood, what difference would that make? Two of his Officers targeted me in writing and he isn't doing squat about it, you think he cares where they park....CONNORS IS A HUGE PART OF THE PROBLEM AT THE RPD!!!
Posted by: Jim Amico | March 15, 2013 at 06:00 PM
I wonder if the Rye police realize you can see their cop cars in Greenwood Cemetery from I95 as you drive by . Always makes me chuckle . Apparently everybody in town knows about it but our police chief ?
Posted by: divman | March 15, 2013 at 04:17 PM