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    loks like MyRey hiccuped and lost much of what i posted

    2) 137 signatures for this bill is less than 1% of Rye population . If we get 300 against the measure ( which could be done in a few days ) , can we make it go away ?

    3) This plan will kill Rye taxpayers . Here is the math . Lets assume 1,000 tree permits requested in 2013 . THis would mean the new tree police team would need to make 1000 vists in a typical 240 day work year to examine the tree . Said workers would have to render a decision and notify homeowners . Is it safe to say a force of about 3 would be needed ? Rye workers are now a 6 figure cost with pension and benefits included . So 3 workers is a cost of $300,000-$350,000 to manage the 1,000 permits and against this we'd get $25,000 in fee revenue to pay the workers . Can you say HORRENDOUS FOR TAX PAYERS .

    4) NY Time recently wrote a story on all the lawsuits pending and the huge costs associated from trees and tree limbs falling on the citizenry . But the key takeaway of the article was that many of the tree incidents involve trees that look fine to untrained eye and how it takes a certified/trained/EXPENSIVE arborist to really know if a tree is having problems and should be removed ( see rest of post below )

    Where to start with this flawed plan :

    1) Its a tax increase on Rye citizens . Lets stop charade of " fees " vs " taxes " . This is why French and a few other pretend Republicans are suddenly interested in this bad idea

    2) 137 signatures is http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/14/nyregion/in-new-york-neglected-trees-prove-deadly.html?pagewanted=all ) . What city bureaucrat is a certified arborist to definitively be able to look at a tree a homeowner wants to take down to declare it fine/healthy and deny that homeowner the right ? Guess how big the law suit will be if Rye allows some volunteers or or ARB member to deny a tree removal permit and said tree was in fact a problem and it harms somebody when it falls ? Homeowners know when a tree is a problem . We see the limbs come down . To think Rye will assume the legal liability or denying homeowners the right to remove a tree they see as dangerous is positively insane and I will be there if/when this happens to tell the family that is hurt that the town officials were warned in advance the moral hazards of trying to do this without experts . Has French and crew priced out cost of hiring a certified arborist full time in order that a trained expert makes the call on a questionable tree vs some glorified garden club volunteer seeking to impose her vision of Rye on all or some complete novice on the ARB . ** As a word of caution to members of the ARB ? I'd quit before i'd render a decision that could endanger a child in Rye on tree removal . Thats not what serving on ARB is about .

    5) Lawsuits: there can and will be numerous lawsuits filed as town denies people rights to manage trees on their property . has French and crew priced this in ? Do you really think Rye's citizens will just roll over and play compliant lapdog if denied this right ? I see potential for a legal bill that could rival the insanity of 10yrs ago when equally clueless town leaders decided to take on Home Depot building in Port Chester ( never mind half of Rye is in store any given Saturday ) .

    6) Rye does not need a " Big Brother " / " Nanny State " !! Trees are valuable items to Rye homeowners who tend to be rather successful people with above average intelligence . The City has survived 300+yrs without tree police and i see no evidence or proof provide by the folks pushing this bad idea of why its needed now ! Please give us 10 examples of actions taken by homeowners that harmed the community at large ?!? This excessive regulation is being provide with ZERO evidence a problem exists ! Can't Republicans on town council grasp the simple axiom " Don't Try And Fix What Is Not Broken " ?????

    I would further add the majority of people behind this law did not vote for you / your party , Mr French . THis is bigger government looking to control more of our lives than needed generating ever larger tax bills for us overloaded taxpayers .
    Its the nannystate we see everywhere in this country run amok . That the citizens are too stupid to manage their own affairs / property and the town will do it for them .

    Maybe the City Planner is wrong. I don't believe there would be no benefit.

    Melissa -

    I have not made any factual misrepresentations. My arguments were made directly from the proposal put forth to the council (which include the draft law as well as the City Planner's impact assessment), as included in the agenda items from the May 23 City Council meeting. It also included public statements made at the meeting. But you miss my point entirely. I am not against trees, I am against the unnecessary infringement of property rights, and I'm concerned about the additional and unnecessary costs to the taxpayer. Read the City Planner's own summary, wherein he states this change in the existing law will have no discernible benefit, but will have a very real cost to execute and enforce.

    You also claim this is merely an amendment to the existing law which covers the setback on some properties. But the proposal steps into private property to dictate what should and should not be there... which is a new restriction that was not on the books before.

    Furthermore, you claim that I fail to consider that the city already has "countless" restrictions. I don't fail to consider this - it is a motivating factor in my concern that our property rights are constantly diminishing. In this case, it is to satisfy an amazingly small number of residents who may or may not have all the facts... 137, or less than 1 percent of the population, have signed a petition. In this case, count me as a 99 percenter. I'd like to have a greater input from the population at large.

    While I really don't see a pressing need for the proposed changes, I do see a very real need for the city to spend as carefully as possible. This proposal is simply wasting our time and our money, two resources that are in critically short supply these days.

    Charmian the author here thinks French & Co. believe in and follow the existing laws of Rye. How misguided. She has much to learn.

    http://www.lausdeo10580.com/lausdeo10580/2012/05/mayor-issued-bldg-permits-needs-no-variances-for-property-that-does-not-comply-with-zoning-code.html

    But I’m not without sympathy for those who sustain “clear cutting” by short sighted neighbors. Six or more mature oaks were felled in 48 hours next door to us about 5 years ago. The homeowner was begged by neighbors to rethink before it was too late. No such luck. That place looks barren and stark to this day. And all of us around it have to live with it – not just him.

    But I’m behind Matt Fahey in this one.

    And when, after all, are Mr. French and Mr. Jovanovich tendering their resignations?

    http://www.lausdeo10580.com/lausdeo10580/2012/04/city-of-rye-finds-9000-to-make-whistle-blower-vanish.html

    And does the author know that the tree ordinance is being used here to help distract from the biggest potential municipal loss Rye taxpayer’s have ever sustained?

    http://bit.ly/LvV7an

    She should – and she should resent being used like this. Her cause has real merit.


    "...those who foolishly argue that individual rights trump any reasonable regulation on behalf of the greater municipal common good."

    Melissa Grieco nails it ~ Thomas Paine would approve.

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